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Post by roxanna Sun Sep 23, 2012 8:39 am

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Post by Breezey Breezey Sun Sep 23, 2012 10:21 am

I can't say for sure... but found this interesting.
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Post by Ja'aj Sun Sep 23, 2012 11:17 am

"EX FBI TELL OF NEW WORLD ORDER PLAN"
I would, of course, have no way of knowing for
sure at this point... but I'm going with "Naaa."

"We are Preparing for Massive Civil War, Says DHS Informant"

"Source" ? Uh-huh. Again - "Naaa."
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Post by Breezey Breezey Sun Sep 23, 2012 11:22 am

All I know is that a lot of things in those videos are true already. I have asked before and I'll ask again... how much do people have to lose and haven taken away from them before they say it's too much and care?
I realize many only see this as people with vivid imaginations and such, but take a look back at the rights and such that are gone now and tell me how we don't mind what we're losing.
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Post by Ja'aj Sun Sep 23, 2012 11:30 am

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What rights are you talking about?
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Post by Breezey Breezey Sun Sep 23, 2012 11:33 am

Hey Mouse! smile2 give a hug
I am talking the littlest to ones that are not so little, yet... many say "it's not so bad".
I will see if I can come up with a list and post it here.
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Post by Ja'aj Sun Sep 23, 2012 11:45 am

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Post by Breezey Breezey Sun Sep 23, 2012 1:34 pm

Since the Patriot Act was passed in the aftermath of 9-11 American citizens have lost an array of basic civil liberties in the name of security and last week Obama continued that trend when he signed the National Defense Authorization Act which now allows the military to arrest any US citizen deemed a terrorist even here in the US!
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The framers lived under autocratic rule and understood this danger better than we do. James Madison famously warned that we needed a system that did not depend on the good intentions or motivations of our rulers: “If men were angels, no government would be necessary.”

Benjamin Franklin was more direct. In 1787, a Mrs. Powel confronted Franklin after the signing of the Constitution and asked, “Well, Doctor, what have we got — a republic or a monarchy?” His response was a bit chilling: “A republic, Madam, if you can keep it.”

Since 9/11, we have created the very government the framers feared: a government with sweeping and largely unchecked powers resting on the hope that they will be used wisely.
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There are three pages, two you have to click on at the bottom of each section.

We no longer have privacy in emails and such. Does all of that mean we are like criminals until it's decided we are not?
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Post by Ja'aj Sun Sep 23, 2012 2:59 pm

Ah, yes... The Patriot Act. Vile, loathsome,
rotten, rotten, rotten piece of ... legislation.
Even its title is offensive.
Happily, I had forgotten it.
Unhappily, I now recall it.
AND... I recall the single thing Obama said
(that I know of) that really ! pissed me off.
It positively reeks of The Shrub .
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Post by Ja'aj Sun Sep 23, 2012 3:03 pm

Oh.
As far as I'm concerned we no longer have the
government we had before 9/11 and that ... Shrub.
Not even a reasonable facsimile.
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Post by roxanna Sun Sep 23, 2012 6:17 pm

Breezey Breezey wrote:I can't say for sure... but found this interesting.
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very interesting,and makes sense ...but, I really don't think it will make a huge difference,things have gone to far and most people are in denial .my impression.
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Post by Breezey Breezey Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:11 am

Most people are in denial... that's for sure! Many don't mind all the little rights they've lost over time because they keep insisting it could be worse. Well, now it's worse and going to get even worse!
When your government installs cameras everywhere and is stepping up "Security" to protect you... always question that because anything claimed to be for a good purpose is most likely also used for wrong reasons as well. Yet, nobody really saw anything wrong with it. All your new gadgets that have tracking devises.. do people really believe they are for their convenience alone?
Voice recognition, face recognition games... think about what that will be like when hooked into the internet. Web cams and such... think I'm being paranoid? I don't think I am.
Cell phone calls can already be intercepted without you even knowing it. Cell phones can track your movements.
Many people actually "buy" into losing their rights and freedoms.
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